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title: 'Dustin Kirkland: The questions that you’re afraid to ask about containers'
description: Yesterday, I delivered a talk to a lively audience at ContainerWorld
  in Santa Clara, California.If I measured “the most interesting slides” by counting
  “the number of people who took a picture of the slide”, then by far “the most interesting
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24 February 2017

# Dustin Kirkland: The questions that you’re afraid to ask about containers

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Yesterday, I delivered a talk to a lively audience at [ContainerWorld](https://tmt.knect365.com/container-world/speakers/dustin-kirkland) in Santa Clara, California.

If I measured “the most interesting slides” by counting “the number of people who took a picture of the slide”, then by far “the most interesting slides” are slides 8-11, which pose an answer the question:

> “Should I run my PaaS on top of my IaaS, or my IaaS on top of my PaaS”?

In the Ubuntu world, that answer is super easy — however you like!  At Canonical, we’re happy to support:

1. [Kubernetes running on top](https://jujucharms.com/kubernetes-core/) of [Ubuntu OpenStack](https://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/openstack)
2. [OpenStack running on top](https://github.com/sapcc/openstack-helm) of [Canonical Kubernetes](https://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/kubernetes)
3. [Kubernetes](http://kubernetes.io/) running along side [OpenStack](http://openstack.org/)

In all cases, the underlying substrate is perfectly consistent:

* you’ve got 1 to N physical or virtual machines
* which are dynamically provisioned by MAAS or your cloud provider
* running stable, minimal, secure Ubuntu server image
* carved up into fast, efficient, independently addressable LXD machine containers

With that as your base, we’ll easily to [conjure-up](http://conjure-up.io/) a Kubernetes, an OpenStack, or both.  And once you have a Kubernetes or OpenStack, we’ll gladly conjure-up one inside the other.

As always, I’m happy to share my slides with you here.  You’re welcome to [download the PDF](http://people.canonical.com/~kirkland/Container%20World%202017%20--%20Use%20the%20Right%20Container%20Technology%20for%20the%20Job.pdf), or flip through the embedded slides below.

**[[Container world 2017] The Questions You’re Afraid to Ask about Containers](https://www.slideshare.net/dustinkirkland/container-world-2017-the-questions-youre-afraid-to-ask-about-containers "[Container world 2017] The Questions You're Afraid to Ask about Containers")**  from **[Dustin Kirkland](https://www.slideshare.net/dustinkirkland)**

Cheers,
Dustin

[Original article](http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2017/02/the-questions-that-youre-afraid-to-ask.html)

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